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Russia threatens military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela as diplomacy stalls
US says ‘drumbeat of war is sounding loud’ as talks with Russia over Ukraine head towards dead end
Russia has refused to rule out a military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela if talks with the west on European security and Ukraine fail to go its way, while warning the latest discussions with Nato were hitting a dead end.

In an apparent attempt to up the ante with the Biden administration, Sergei Ryabkov, who led Russia’s delegation in a meeting with the US on Monday, told Russian television he could neither confirm nor exclude sending military assets to Cuba and Venezuela if talks fail. Asked about these steps, he said “it all depends on the actions by our US counterparts”.

Meanwhile another senior Russian diplomat threatened unspecified “necessary measures” if Moscow’s security demands were not met.

At the end of a week of diplomacy that appears to have produced no progress, the US national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, said US had intelligence Russia was preparing to fabricate claims of an imminent Ukrainian attack on Russian forces as a pretext for invasion.

“We saw this playbook in 2014. They are preparing this playbook again,” Sullivan said, and said that the administration would share more of the intelligence in the following 24 hours.

Sullivan said no dates had been set for any further talks but added: “We’re in communication with the Russians and we’ll see what comes next.”

Asked about Ryabkov’s suggestion of Russian deployments in Cuba or Venezuela, he would he would not respond to “bluster”.

Meanwhile the US defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, promised his Ukrainian counterpart, Oleksii Reznikov, continuing US provision of “defensive assistance” to help build the capacity of Ukraine’s armed forces.

Michael Carpenter, the US representative at the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), made clear that there had been no progress made in defusing tensions at Thursday’s meeting.

“The drumbeat of war is sounding loud, and the rhetoric has gotten rather shrill,” Carpenter told journalists afterwards.


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Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said the OSCE talks had consolidated international support for Ukraine in the face of what he called “illegal ultimatums and military pressure from Russia”. He said the country’s western allies shared Ukraine’s position that it should be free to choose which security alliances it joined, including Nato.

“Ukraine will also continue to work actively with partners to implement a comprehensive package to deter Russia from a new wave of war in Europe, which has already begun,” he said, in a comment posted on his ministry’s website.

A volley of bleak statements from Russian senior officials emerged as Poland’s foreign minister, Zbigniew Rau, warned that Europe faced its greatest risk of war in 30 years.

Rau was addressing the 57 nations of the OSCE, an organisation that includes Russia, Ukraine, the United States and European nations. It was the third time this week Russia had discussed security with western countries.

The Polish minister, who has taken over the OSCE chair, told reporters he “cannot say a breakthrough is imminent” in discussions on European security, while pledging to launch a dialogue. “Some of the participating states believe that it’s enough to make a statement and not to participate in debate,” he said, without naming countries.

“It seems that the risk of war in the OSCE area is now greater than ever before in the last 30 years,” Rau had told delegates earlier. “For several weeks we have been faced with the prospect of a major military escalation in eastern Europe.”
Russia has mobilised 100,000 troops and placed military hardware along its border with Ukraine, while issuing a series of security demands that Nato has said are impossible to meet, such as removing troops from eastern members of the alliance and a block on any membership application from Kyiv.

Ryabkov said discussions were hitting a dead end. “I do not see any reason to sit down again in the coming days, to gather again and start these same discussions,” he was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.

“We propose to go step by step through the text, to work on it in order to bring it to a stage where it would be ready to sign. This is impossible today, because on the key elements of these texts, the United States and its allies say categorically ‘no’.”


Carpenter reaffirmed US readiness to continue a dialogue but added “we are not going to renegotiate core principles”, listing the 1975 Helsinki Accords, the UN Charter and the 1990 Paris Charter, which affirmed the right of sovereign states to make their own decisions about their security, free from the threat of force, and guaranteed the inviolability of borders. “Those are sacrosanct. Those are our bedrock,” Carpenter said. He said he did not know if there were plans to put the US position in writing, as the Russians were demanding.

“We’re happy to talk about conflict resolution mechanisms, happy to talk about reciprocal restraint and risk reduction and confidence building, military transparency, all of those things are on the table,” Carpenter said, welcoming a Polish initiative to establish a more regular dialogue among the OSCE’s 57 members to discuss mutual security concerns.

Russian officials focused on the agreements that Moscow drafted in December and demanded a response. The country’s mission to the OSCE threatened Moscow would take “necessary measures” if the west did not respond to Russian demands. “If we don’t hear constructive response to our proposals within reasonable timeframe & aggressive behaviour towards [Russia] continues, we’ll have to take necessary measures to ensure strategic balance and eliminate unacceptable threats to our national security,” Russia’s mission to the OSCE wrote on Twitter, citing its ambassador to the OSCE, Alexander Lukashevich.

The Russian OSCE mission also warned that “a crisis on the continent may arise with unpredictable consequences for European security”.


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外交停滯不前,俄羅斯威脅向古巴和委內瑞拉部署軍事力量
美國稱“戰爭的鼓聲響亮”與俄羅斯就烏克蘭問題的談判走向死胡同
如果與西方就歐洲安全和烏克蘭問題的談判未能如期進行,俄羅斯拒絕排除在古巴和委內瑞拉進行軍事部署的可能性,同時警告稱,與北約的最新討論陷入了死胡同。

週一率領俄羅斯代表團與美國會晤的謝爾蓋·里亞布科夫(Sergei Ryabkov)顯然是為了與拜登政府加大賭注,他告訴俄羅斯電視台,如果談判失敗,他既不能確認也不能排除向古巴和委內瑞拉派遣軍事資產。當被問及這些步驟時,他說“這完全取決於我們美國同行的行動”。

與此同時,另一位俄羅斯高級外交官威脅說,如果莫斯科的安全要求得不到滿足,將採取未指明的“必要措施”。

美國國家安全顧問傑克·沙利文(Jake Sullivan)在一周似乎沒有取得任何進展的外交活動結束時表示,美國掌握的情報,俄羅斯正準備捏造烏克蘭即將對俄羅斯軍隊發動襲擊的說法,作為入侵的藉口。

“我們在 2014 年看到了這個劇本。他們正在再次準備這個劇本,”沙利文說,並表示政府將在接下來的 24 小時內分享更多情報。

沙利文表示,尚未確定任何進一步談判的日期,但補充說:“我們正在與俄羅斯人進行溝通,我們將看看接下來會發生什麼。”

當被問及里亞布科夫關於俄羅斯在古巴或委內瑞拉部署的建議時,他不會回應“咆哮”。

與此同時,美國國防部長勞埃德·奧斯汀向烏克蘭國防部長奧列克西·列茲尼科夫承諾,美國將繼續提供“防禦性援助”,以幫助建設烏克蘭武裝部隊的能力。

美國駐歐洲安全與合作組織(歐安組織)代表邁克爾·卡彭特在周四的會議上明確表示,在緩和緊張局勢方面沒有取得任何進展。

“戰爭的鼓聲響亮,言辭變得相當刺耳,”卡彭特事後告訴記者。

烏克蘭外交部長德米特羅·庫萊巴表示,面對他所謂的“來自俄羅斯的非法最後通牒和軍事壓力”,歐安組織會談鞏固了國際社會對烏克蘭的支持。他說,該國的西方盟友同意烏克蘭的立場,即它應該可以自由選擇加入哪些安全聯盟,包括北約。

“烏克蘭還將繼續與合作夥伴積極合作,實施一項全面的一攬子計劃,以阻止俄羅斯在歐洲爆發新一波戰爭,這場戰爭已經開始,”他在該部網站上發表的評論中說。

波蘭外交部長茲比格涅夫·勞(Zbigniew Rau)警告說,歐洲面臨著 30 年來最大的戰爭風險,俄羅斯高級官員發表了一連串慘淡的聲明。

勞正在向歐安組織的 57 個國家發表講話,該組織包括俄羅斯、烏克蘭、美國和歐洲國家。這是本週俄羅斯第三次與西方國家討論安全問題。

接任歐安組織主席的波蘭部長告訴記者,他“不能說在歐洲安全討論中即將取得突破”,同時承諾啟動對話。 “一些參與國認為,發表聲明而不參與辯論就足夠了,”他說,但沒有點名。


“看起來,歐安組織地區的戰爭風險現在比過去 30 年中的任何時候都大,”勞早些時候對代表們說。 “幾週來,我們一直面臨著東歐軍事升級的前景。”
俄羅斯已動員 100,000 名士兵,並在其與烏克蘭的邊界部署軍事裝備,同時提出了一系列北約認為不可能滿足的安全要求,例如從北約東部成員國撤軍,並阻止基輔的任何成員申請.

里亞布科夫說,討論陷入了死胡同。國際文傳電訊社援引他的話說:“我看不出有任何理由在未來幾天再次坐下來,再次聚集並開始同樣的討論。”

“我們建議逐步閱讀文本,對其進行處理,以便將其帶到準備簽署的階段。今天這是不可能的,因為在這些文本的關鍵要素上,美國及其盟國斷然說‘不’。”

卡彭特重申美國準備繼續對話,但補充說“我們不會重新談判核心原則”,列舉了 1975 年的赫爾辛基協定、聯合國憲章和 1990 年的巴黎憲章,這些憲章確認主權國家有權就自己的領土做出自己的決定。安全,不受武力威脅,並保證邊界不可侵犯。 “那些是神聖不可侵犯的。這些是我們的基石,”卡彭特說。他說他不知道是否有計劃將美國的立場書面化,因為俄羅斯人要求很高。

“我們很高興談論解決衝突的機制,很高興談論相互克制和降低風險以及建立信任,軍事透明度,所有這些都擺在桌面上,”卡彭特說,歡迎波蘭提出的建立更常規的機制的倡議。歐安組織 57 個成員之間的對話,討論共同的安全問題。

俄羅斯官員專注於莫斯科在 12 月起草的協議,並要求做出回應。該國駐歐安組織代表團威脅說,如果西方不回應俄羅斯的要求,莫斯科將採取“必要措施”。 “如果我們在合理的時間範圍內沒有聽到對我們的提議的建設性回應,並且對[俄羅斯]的侵略行為繼續存在,我們將不得不採取必要措施確保戰略平衡並消除對我們國家安全的不可接受的威脅,”俄羅斯駐歐安組織在推特上援引其駐歐安組織大使亞歷山大·盧卡舍維奇的話寫道。

俄羅斯歐安組織代表團還警告說,“歐洲大陸可能會出現危機,給歐洲安全帶來不可預測的後果”。
+In Kyiv, Pavlo Klimkin, Kuleba’s predecessor as Ukrainian foreign minister, said this week’s talks with the Kremlin in Geneva, Brussels and Vienna had “eased tensions”. But he said the risk of a military or “other provocation” by Moscow remained extremely high, “especially in late winter or early spring”.

“As the talks continue, the threat of immediate escalation, at least the degree of tension, has decreased. This does not mean that the danger has become much less. It has become less, but it persists,” Klimkin told the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

Klimkin predicted that Vladimir Putin was more likely to attack Ukraine using “hybrid methods” than stage a full-blown military invasion.


“Blitzkrieg against Ukraine is impossible. They understand that more than a third of our people are ready to hold weapons, and when there is danger for the country, I am sure there will be even more.” He said Putin wanted to turn back the clock and make central and eastern Europe a zone of Russian influence and domination again, as it was in Soviet times.
“This is by definition pure insanity … Russia’s real goal is the destruction of Ukrainian statehood. Our very existence hinders Putin’s model of vertical governance,” Klimkin said.

In Moscow, the Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said there could be a complete rupture in US-Russian relations if proposed sanctions targeting the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, and other top civilian and military leaders were adopted. Senate Democrats have also proposed targeting leading Russian financial institutions if Moscow sends troops into Ukraine.

The EU is also drawing up possible sanctions, although has declined to reveal details.

Last month Ryabkov compared the current tensions over Ukraine with the 1962 Cuban missile crisis — when the Soviet Union deployed missiles to Cuba and the US imposed a naval blockade of the island. That crisis ended after John F Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev agreed Moscow would withdraw its missiles in exchange for Washington’s pledge not to invade Cuba and the removal of US missiles from Turkey.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/13/russia-says-talks-with-nato-over-ukraine-are-hitting-a-dead-end
在基輔,庫萊巴的前任烏克蘭外交部長帕夫洛·克里姆金表示,本週在日內瓦、布魯塞爾和維也納與克里姆林宮的會談“緩解了緊張局勢”。但他表示,莫斯科發動軍事或“其他挑釁”的風險仍然極高,“尤其是在冬末或初春”。

“隨著談判的繼續,立即升級的威脅,至少緊張程度已經降低。這並不意味著危險變得更小了。它已經變少了,但它仍然存在,”克里姆金告訴烏克蘭國際文傳電訊社。

克里姆金預測,弗拉基米爾·普京更有可能使用“混合方法”攻擊烏克蘭,而不是發動全面的軍事入侵。

“對烏克蘭進行閃電戰是不可能的。他們知道,我們三分之一以上的人準備好持有武器,當國家面臨危險時,我相信還會有更多。”他說,普京希望時光倒流,讓中歐和東歐再次成為俄羅斯影響和統治的地區,就像在蘇聯時代一樣。

“對烏克蘭進行閃電戰是不可能的。他們知道,我們三分之一以上的人準備好持有武器,當國家面臨危險時,我相信還會有更多。”他說,普京希望時光倒流,讓中歐和東歐再次成為俄羅斯影響和統治的地區,就像在蘇聯時代一樣。


“根據定義,這純粹是精神錯亂……俄羅斯的真正目標是破壞烏克蘭的國家地位。我們的存在阻礙了普京的縱向治理模式,”克里姆金說。

在莫斯科,克里姆林宮發言人德米特里佩斯科夫表示,如果針對俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾普京和其他高級文職和軍事領導人的製裁提案獲得通過,美俄關係可能會完全破裂。如果莫斯科派兵進入烏克蘭,參議院民主黨人還提議以俄羅斯主要金融機構為目標。

歐盟也在製定可能的製裁措施,但拒絕透露細節。

上個月,里亞布科夫將烏克蘭目前的緊張局勢與 1962 年的古巴導彈危機進行了比較——當時蘇聯向古巴部署了導彈,而美國對該島實施了海上封鎖。在約翰·F·肯尼迪和尼基塔·赫魯曉夫同意莫斯科將撤回其導彈以換取華盛頓承諾不入侵古巴和從土耳其撤出美國導彈後,這場危機結束了。


你係普京見到美國個條廢老垃圾到咁
唔食住上真係對唔住自己[sosad]


美國又唔係要出兵打人,玩經濟戰之嘛
你駐100萬兵力都冇用[sosad] [sosad]


你係普京見到美國個條廢老垃圾到咁
唔食住上真係對唔住自己[sosad]

根本就係

全球霸主軟弱無能依家就搞到全世界笠笠亂


美國又唔係要出兵打人,玩經濟戰之嘛
你駐100萬兵力都冇用[sosad] [sosad]


喺古巴喎


換左黑妹你就知死


駐俄妹得唔得:P


而家至up

我係哈薩克post已經up過

呢幾日俄佬係國際up既野

清楚到好似出通諜咁

[shocking] [shocking] [shocking]


而家至up

我係哈薩克post已經up過

呢幾日俄佬係國際up既野

清楚到好似出通諜咁

[shocking] [shocking] [shocking]

雖然話機會難逢 但係俄羅斯有無本錢咁進取先#ng#


而家至up

我係哈薩克post已經up過

呢幾日俄佬係國際up既野

清楚到好似出通諜咁

[shocking] [shocking] [shocking]


有想搞咩[shocking]


得把口,以爲駐軍係去露營呀?
古巴同委內瑞拉咁嘅環境,單係起基建五六年都唔知搞唔得掂,
仲未計會俾美國制裁


而家至up

我係哈薩克post已經up過

呢幾日俄佬係國際up既野

清楚到好似出通諜咁

[shocking] [shocking] [shocking]


有想搞咩[shocking]


俄佬係哈薩克之後
唔信男朋友會埋佢堆
發覺男朋友係咁係西方吹反俄黎轉視線既背景下

同北約傾烏克蘭問題
傾左一日
俄佬要求北約守返1990s既約定同勢力範圍

而北約既回應係
我擺明係對抗俄同東擴
北約比邊個Join,關俄向左走向右走事
同我係烏克蘭邊境撤軍

俄佬就再回應
我係自己國土D兵點行又關北約向左走向右走事

大致係咁


得把口,以爲駐軍係去露營呀?
古巴同委內瑞拉咁嘅環境,單係起基建五六年都唔知搞唔得掂,
仲未計會俾美國制裁


放Iskander-M

#bye# #bye# #bye#


會唔會搞到WW3?


會唔會搞到WW3?


好可能會

[sosad] [sosad] [sosad]


會唔會搞到WW3?


真係有機會
俄羅斯輸贏影響好大
佢輸左大陸有機會比人打埋


姐係之前美國啲情報都係真[sosad] 烏克蘭入硬北約


會唔會搞到WW3?


真係有機會
俄羅斯輸贏影響好大
佢輸左大陸有機會比人打埋

俄羅斯輸 大陸有機會畀人打埋
俄羅斯贏 大陸有機會畀俄食埋:o)


俄佬有鬼錢咩[sosad]


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