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有關帖文題目顯示香港字問題

一直以來,不少會員反映討論區帖文題目未能正常顯示香港字,由於此項更新牽涉整個系統,故一直未能完善。然而我們明白各會員對此有一定需求,決定於星期三早上7時短暫「熄登」更新系統,解決題目顯示問題,預計需時兩小時。不便之處,敬請原諒。

更新完成後題目將支援香港字、大部分日文及韓文字體,字數限制將由現時25個全形字符增加至30個。與此同時,討論區桌面版將增設M版現有的回帶及追蹤功能,發表頁面的題目輸入位置亦會加入字數提示功能,希望能改善大家的使用體驗。

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陳雲:政府毋須理會沙士 一年半載就會被人體適應
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發覺好多人真係對沙士完全無知。包括醫學生,網上醫學KOL。
其實近十年外國有唔少研究沙士既書刊出版,大多都總結話係醫療無效(Futile medical care)。
有人叫我講下數據,我就引述下外國醫學報告既數字。

We also searched for clinical trial evidence of treatment for acute respiratory distress syndrome. Sources of data were the literature databases MEDLINE, EMBASE, BIOSIS, and the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) up to February 2005. Data from publications were extracted and evidence within studies was classified using predefined criteria. In total, 54 SARS treatment studies, 15 in vitro studies, and three acute respiratory distress syndrome studies met our inclusion criteria. Within in vitro studies, ribavirin, lopinavir, and type I IFN showed inhibition of SARS-CoV in tissue culture.In SARS-infected patient reports on ribavirin, 26 studies were classified as inconclusive, and four showed possible harm. Seven studies of convalescent plasma or IVIG, three of IFN type I, and two of LPV/r were inconclusive. In 29 studies of steroid use, 25 were inconclusive and four were classified as causing possible harm.

Despite an extensive literature reporting on SARS treatments,it was not possible to determine whether treatments benefited patients during the SARS outbreak. Some may have been harmful.Clinical trials should be designed to validate a standard protocol for dosage and timing, and to accrue data in real time during future outbreaks to monitor specific adverse effects and help inform treatment.

大把人電療化療有後遺症 新大陸?


不能相提並論,癌症自然痊癒既機會接近零,同流病或者冠狀病毒好唔同。
請記住,沙士這種病毒到今天都無藥醫到,當年患上沙士既人,唔係"醫"番好。

咁係點好 個肺花向左走向右走晒奇蹟地自然好?


事實上係咁。根據加拿大同香港既沙士案例,年過七十五既老人走去試藥就係死路一條。
當然,所謂自然痊癒係要有高度隔離同保養。


發覺好多人真係對沙士完全無知。包括醫學生,網上醫學KOL。
其實近十年外國有唔少研究沙士既書刊出版,大多都總結話係醫療無效(Futile medical care)。
有人叫我講下數據,我就引述下外國醫學報告既數字。

We also searched for clinical trial evidence of treatment for acute respiratory distress syndrome. Sources of data were the literature databases MEDLINE, EMBASE, BIOSIS, and the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) up to February 2005. Data from publications were extracted and evidence within studies was classified using predefined criteria. In total, 54 SARS treatment studies, 15 in vitro studies, and three acute respiratory distress syndrome studies met our inclusion criteria. Within in vitro studies, ribavirin, lopinavir, and type I IFN showed inhibition of SARS-CoV in tissue culture.In SARS-infected patient reports on ribavirin, 26 studies were classified as inconclusive, and four showed possible harm. Seven studies of convalescent plasma or IVIG, three of IFN type I, and two of LPV/r were inconclusive. In 29 studies of steroid use, 25 were inconclusive and four were classified as causing possible harm.

Despite an extensive literature reporting on SARS treatments,it was not possible to determine whether treatments benefited patients during the SARS outbreak. Some may have been harmful.Clinical trials should be designed to validate a standard protocol for dosage and timing, and to accrue data in real time during future outbreaks to monitor specific adverse effects and help inform treatment.

大把人電療化療有後遺症 新大陸?


不能相提並論,癌症自然痊癒既機會接近零,同流病或者冠狀病毒好唔同。
請記住,沙士這種病毒到今天都無藥醫到,當年患上沙士既人,唔係"醫"番好。

咁係點好 個肺花向左走向右走晒奇蹟地自然好?


事實上係咁。根據加拿大同香港既沙士案例,年過七十五既老人走去試藥就係死路一條。
當然,所謂自然痊癒係要有高度隔離同保養。

知唔知舊年流感死左成400人 仲多過沙士? 流感又有無得醫? 唔通又係試藥試死? 老人細路重病 死亡率就梗係高架啦


發覺好多人真係對沙士完全無知。包括醫學生,網上醫學KOL。
其實近十年外國有唔少研究沙士既書刊出版,大多都總結話係醫療無效(Futile medical care)。
有人叫我講下數據,我就引述下外國醫學報告既數字。

We also searched for clinical trial evidence of treatment for acute respiratory distress syndrome. Sources of data were the literature databases MEDLINE, EMBASE, BIOSIS, and the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) up to February 2005. Data from publications were extracted and evidence within studies was classified using predefined criteria. In total, 54 SARS treatment studies, 15 in vitro studies, and three acute respiratory distress syndrome studies met our inclusion criteria. Within in vitro studies, ribavirin, lopinavir, and type I IFN showed inhibition of SARS-CoV in tissue culture.In SARS-infected patient reports on ribavirin, 26 studies were classified as inconclusive, and four showed possible harm. Seven studies of convalescent plasma or IVIG, three of IFN type I, and two of LPV/r were inconclusive. In 29 studies of steroid use, 25 were inconclusive and four were classified as causing possible harm.

Despite an extensive literature reporting on SARS treatments,it was not possible to determine whether treatments benefited patients during the SARS outbreak. Some may have been harmful.Clinical trials should be designed to validate a standard protocol for dosage and timing, and to accrue data in real time during future outbreaks to monitor specific adverse effects and help inform treatment.

大把人電療化療有後遺症 新大陸?


不能相提並論,癌症自然痊癒既機會接近零,同流病或者冠狀病毒好唔同。
請記住,沙士這種病毒到今天都無藥醫到,當年患上沙士既人,唔係"醫"番好。

國師話唔醫就冇病,唔係話醫唔好


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不能相提並論,癌症自然痊癒既機會接近零,同流病或者冠狀病毒好唔同。
請記住,沙士這種病毒到今天都無藥醫到,當年患上沙士既人,唔係"醫"番好。

咁係點好 個肺花向左走向右走晒奇蹟地自然好?


事實上係咁。根據加拿大同香港既沙士案例,年過七十五既老人走去試藥就係死路一條。
當然,所謂自然痊癒係要有高度隔離同保養。

知唔知舊年流感死左成400人 仲多過沙士? 流感又有無得醫? 唔通又係試藥試死? 老人細路重病 死亡率就梗係高架啦


其實只要沙士繼續多一年,夠多人特別係有錢白人患上沙士,藥廠一樣會出到新藥治療。這也算是deep state的玩法。
所有流感都一樣,係以前經歷無數人既死亡去換取治療方法,所以點解一有新型流感病毒出現,作為正常國家都會高度戒備。
但係戒備係一回事,以為可以繞過美帝自行試藥,同挑戰上帝根本無分別,只有支那民族主義上腦,先至會自我感覺有咁既能力。
零三年沙士,就係應該不作為,等待美帝救援。
當然,知易行難。正如我地都無能力叫人不作為,唔好去理大送死一樣。


發覺好多人真係對沙士完全無知。包括醫學生,網上醫學KOL。
其實近十年外國有唔少研究沙士既書刊出版,大多都總結話係醫療無效(Futile medical care)。
有人叫我講下數據,我就引述下外國醫學報告既數字。

We also searched for clinical trial evidence of treatment for acute respiratory distress syndrome. Sources of data were the literature databases MEDLINE, EMBASE, BIOSIS, and the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) up to February 2005. Data from publications were extracted and evidence within studies was classified using predefined criteria. In total, 54 SARS treatment studies, 15 in vitro studies, and three acute respiratory distress syndrome studies met our inclusion criteria. Within in vitro studies, ribavirin, lopinavir, and type I IFN showed inhibition of SARS-CoV in tissue culture.In SARS-infected patient reports on ribavirin, 26 studies were classified as inconclusive, and four showed possible harm. Seven studies of convalescent plasma or IVIG, three of IFN type I, and two of LPV/r were inconclusive. In 29 studies of steroid use, 25 were inconclusive and four were classified as causing possible harm.

Despite an extensive literature reporting on SARS treatments,it was not possible to determine whether treatments benefited patients during the SARS outbreak. Some may have been harmful.Clinical trials should be designed to validate a standard protocol for dosage and timing, and to accrue data in real time during future outbreaks to monitor specific adverse effects and help inform treatment.

大把人電療化療有後遺症 新大陸?


不能相提並論,癌症自然痊癒既機會接近零,同流病或者冠狀病毒好唔同。
請記住,沙士這種病毒到今天都無藥醫到,當年患上沙士既人,唔係"醫"番好。

國師話唔醫就冇病,唔係話醫唔好


陳雲一貫用既中文修辭手法吸引群眾圍觀就無謂深究。如果佢好似我咁樣引經據典,相信講左都唔會有人理。


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不能相提並論,癌症自然痊癒既機會接近零,同流病或者冠狀病毒好唔同。
請記住,沙士這種病毒到今天都無藥醫到,當年患上沙士既人,唔係"醫"番好。

咁係點好 個肺花向左走向右走晒奇蹟地自然好?


事實上係咁。根據加拿大同香港既沙士案例,年過七十五既老人走去試藥就係死路一條。
當然,所謂自然痊癒係要有高度隔離同保養。

知唔知舊年流感死左成400人 仲多過沙士? 流感又有無得醫? 唔通又係試藥試死? 老人細路重病 死亡率就梗係高架啦


其實只要沙士繼續多一年,夠多人特別係有錢白人患上沙士,藥廠一樣會出到新藥治療。這也算是deep state的玩法。
所有流感都一樣,係以前經歷無數人既死亡去換取治療方法,所以點解一有新型流感病毒出現,作為正常國家都會高度戒備。
但係戒備係一回事,以為可以繞過美帝自行試藥,同挑戰上帝根本無分別,只有支那民族主義上腦,先至會自我感覺有咁既能力。
零三年沙士,就係應該不作為,等待美帝救援。
當然,知易行難。正如我地都無能力叫人不作為,唔好去理大送死一樣。

咁美帝救左你未?


買定離手
今次老師係︰
1. 玩膠
2. 智力門檻

邊樣?

智力門檻啦:)
明顯地係暗示緊其他野


deep state, new world order, 共濟會.... [369] [369] [369] [369] 好心班陰謀論向左走向右走死番去火星啦[sosad]


高登老人院好似仲未夠老。
香港沙士死咁多人,其中一個原因就係當時香港醫生醫死人。
不過當年醫生被傳媒刻意神化,討論區仍然係精英小眾既玩意,無知大眾自然會當醫生神咁信。
事實上因為當年美國未曾發明有效抵抗冠狀病毒藥物,結果香港醫生自行將香港醫院變成大型人體醫藥試驗場。
抗生素當然無作用,跟住亂試利巴韋林、奧司他韋、阿昔洛韋、更昔洛韋。。。
係治療過程治死既人相當之多,相反有唔少只係入院單純隔離,反而最後有得出院。


醫唔好同醫死人分別好大喎


發覺好多人真係對沙士完全無知。包括醫學生,網上醫學KOL。
其實近十年外國有唔少研究沙士既書刊出版,大多都總結話係醫療無效(Futile medical care)。
有人叫我講下數據,我就引述下外國醫學報告既數字。

We also searched for clinical trial evidence of treatment for acute respiratory distress syndrome. Sources of data were the literature databases MEDLINE, EMBASE, BIOSIS, and the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) up to February 2005. Data from publications were extracted and evidence within studies was classified using predefined criteria. In total, 54 SARS treatment studies, 15 in vitro studies, and three acute respiratory distress syndrome studies met our inclusion criteria. Within in vitro studies, ribavirin, lopinavir, and type I IFN showed inhibition of SARS-CoV in tissue culture.In SARS-infected patient reports on ribavirin, 26 studies were classified as inconclusive, and four showed possible harm. Seven studies of convalescent plasma or IVIG, three of IFN type I, and two of LPV/r were inconclusive. In 29 studies of steroid use, 25 were inconclusive and four were classified as causing possible harm.

Despite an extensive literature reporting on SARS treatments,it was not possible to determine whether treatments benefited patients during the SARS outbreak. Some may have been harmful.Clinical trials should be designed to validate a standard protocol for dosage and timing, and to accrue data in real time during future outbreaks to monitor specific adverse effects and help inform treatment.


醫唔到 同去咗醫院先至有病爭好遠 而家佢呢度直情係講到如果醫生唔話你有病你根本就冇病


發覺好多人真係對沙士完全無知。包括醫學生,網上醫學KOL。
其實近十年外國有唔少研究沙士既書刊出版,大多都總結話係醫療無效(Futile medical care)。
有人叫我講下數據,我就引述下外國醫學報告既數字。

We also searched for clinical trial evidence of treatment for acute respiratory distress syndrome. Sources of data were the literature databases MEDLINE, EMBASE, BIOSIS, and the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) up to February 2005. Data from publications were extracted and evidence within studies was classified using predefined criteria. In total, 54 SARS treatment studies, 15 in vitro studies, and three acute respiratory distress syndrome studies met our inclusion criteria. Within in vitro studies, ribavirin, lopinavir, and type I IFN showed inhibition of SARS-CoV in tissue culture.In SARS-infected patient reports on ribavirin, 26 studies were classified as inconclusive, and four showed possible harm. Seven studies of convalescent plasma or IVIG, three of IFN type I, and two of LPV/r were inconclusive. In 29 studies of steroid use, 25 were inconclusive and four were classified as causing possible harm.

Despite an extensive literature reporting on SARS treatments,it was not possible to determine whether treatments benefited patients during the SARS outbreak. Some may have been harmful.Clinical trials should be designed to validate a standard protocol for dosage and timing, and to accrue data in real time during future outbreaks to monitor specific adverse effects and help inform treatment.

大把人電療化療有後遺症 新大陸?


不能相提並論,癌症自然痊癒既機會接近零,同流病或者冠狀病毒好唔同。
請記住,沙士這種病毒到今天都無藥醫到,當年患上沙士既人,唔係"醫"番好。

國師話唔醫就冇病,唔係話醫唔好


陳雲一貫用既中文修辭手法吸引群眾圍觀就無謂深究。如果佢好似我咁樣引經據典,相信講左都唔會有人理。


呢個唔係修辭手法 如果唔係認真嘅話佢直情就係譁眾取寵


一年半載全中國死淨返幾千萬人


老師有隱喻
係你哋班本民青狗同飯民狗唔明
喺度抹黑老師
老師實中





























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老師有隱喻
係你哋班本民青狗同飯民狗唔明
喺度抹黑老師
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[sosad] 係, 所以老師實中

唔中時, 就係老師玩膠, 另有意思, 你地智力低唔明

中時, 就話老師直接批判, 人地唔敢講佢都講, 老師又中

所以老師永遠唔會錯, 錯的只係你地班泛民狗, 青政狗, 賤畜 [sosad]


[sosad]


熱狗仲唔放棄陳雲呢啲負資產
真係抵你一世上唔到大枱


感染了愛滋病的人,在告訴他驗證了愛滋病之前是沒事的,醫生告訴他之後,就會發病,嘗試治療之後,就會死亡。

呢句野仲神過神棍
你班信徒睇清楚佢講乜

另外, 的確傷風感冒有人唔洗食藥都好, 但有人亦可以搞好耐都唔好
咩病都有人係唔知點解發唔起, 有人一發就死, 你係病人, 你搏唔搏,
同醫生講我唔食藥自己會好返?


#yup#


[sosad]


蘋果零三年仲係大中華膠時,好吹捧中國香港醫療系統。講到好似係香港醫生擊退沙士,洗左唔少人腦。
十年後終於講出真相,但當然已經無人留意。結果好多人對於沙士印象,仲停留係二零零三年將醫生想像成香港女兒。

沙士倘重臨 仍無藥醫

【本報訊】沙士爆發已10年,至今仍未有針對性藥物治療。中文大學醫學院經多年研究,證實當年使用的抗病毒藥物利巴韋林無效,病發初期使用高劑量類固醇,反會加速病毒繁殖。專家建議若沙士重臨,可考慮使用干擾素或蛋白酵素抑制劑,但強調未有科學證據證實百分百有效。
威爾斯親王醫院是最早爆發沙士的醫院,疫症中接收238名病人。中大內科及藥物治療學系感染及傳染病科主任李禮舜表示,沙士病情分三階段,依次為病毒繁殖期、免疫系統過份活躍期及呼吸衰竭期。

「利巴韋林」證實無效
當年為病人處方抗病毒藥利巴韋林,而因病人免疫系統反應過大,攻擊自己肺部,有醫院會處方高劑量類固醇,抑制免疫系統。沙士後研究證實利巴韋林無效,過早處方高劑量類固醇會抑制免疫系統,反令病毒有機會大量繁殖,令病情惡化。當年利用沙士康復者血清治療,效果顯著。
該系呼吸系統科主任許樹昌表示,現時仍未有針對性藥物治療沙士,若沙士重臨,病發早期可考慮使用干擾素或蛋白酵素抑制劑。但兩種方法未有大型隨機臨床研究,證明百分百有效。當病人進入第三期,病毒量下降,但自身免疫系統仍攻擊肺部,才可用適量類固醇。
李禮舜補充,近年醫學界發現人的細胞,有一種對抗病毒的受體。受體數量越多,病毒繁殖力越低。外國正研究噴劑刺激受體增長,希望成為新療法。另有海外實驗室研究標靶抗體療法。至於病房擠逼令沙士迅速擴散的問題,李表示病房環境雖已改善,但仍然擠逼,病床之間距離不足三呎,呼吸道疾病容易擴散。
沙士爆發十年,中大下月將舉行沙士研討會,校長沈祖堯昨日聯同三名曾治療沙士的醫生開記者會。他表示,03年沙士爆發前,本港經濟下滑,樓價下跌,社會氣氛不好。但沙士爆發後社會團結抗疫,他希望現時社會可更和諧。他坦言若再有疫症爆發,難以防範「隱形病人」,最主要憑病人的旅遊史決定是否需隔離

醫唔到
唔代表唔駛醫
輔助療程、跟進痊癒個案尋求新型療法
呢D 工作係現代醫學都缺一不可
而唔係咩「唔理佢就會自己好返」
就算癌症都有個別例子係自己好返
亦有人係治療期間失救
係咪代表唔駛處理?
係咪代表唔應該研究或治療癌症?
就算係愛滋病
而家已經有藥可以抑制病發
將 HIV 病毒保持極低水平
呢D 人生埋仔女都唔會傳俾下一代

陳雲無知、9up、扭曲事實
d 信徒走狗就照單全收
害人不淺
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《回應陳雲的 Inconvenient 'truth'》

有朋友 send 篇文俾小弟,讀完實在不吐不快。

「在野獸或人體的愛滋病一直存在,直至人類辨認了病毒及嘗試發明治療方法的時候,愛滋病成了疾病」

- 但歷史告訴我們,當時在 1980 年左右是因為有人在美國患有罕見疾病, 包括罕見癌症而死亡 (當中有很多是同性戀者),之後醫學界才辨認出愛滋病病毒。 (如有興趣, 請到 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS 讀讀愛滋病的歷史。)
___________________

「感染了愛滋病的人,在告訴他驗證了愛滋病之前是沒事的,醫生告訴他之後,就會發病,嘗試治療之後,就會死亡。」
- 感染了 xx 病的人,在告訴他驗證了xx 病之前是沒事的,醫生告訴他之後,就會發病,嘗試治療之後,就會死亡??
這是哪門的巫術???
___________________

// 至於沙士、禽流感這些病,也是一樣。你不理會它,它只是惡性的流感而已,一年半載就會被人體適應,而其實他們一直存在與某些人類之中而相安無事。//

- 1) 沙士是冠狀病毒 (coronavirus), 禽流感才是流感病毒 (Influenza virus), 兩者已經不同。
而流感病毒的外套膜(envelope)含有 2 種醣蛋白 - 紅血球凝集素(Hemagglutinin, 又稱 H 抗原)和神經胺酸酶(Neuraminidase, 又稱 N 抗原)。
流感病毒有 16 種不同的 HA 抗原(H1 至 H16)和 9 種不同的 NA 抗原(N1 至 N9), 所以有所謂的 H5N1, H1N1 等等。

2) 流感病毒「一直存在與某些人類之中而相安無事」?? 其實每幾十年, 流感瘟疫就來一次!
--> 1918 Spanish flu, 1957 Asian flu, 1968–1969 Hong Kong flu, 2009 swine flu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic)
___________________

PS. 民俗學博士, 其實你的德國哥廷根大學有位校友 Max Delbrück, 早在 1969 年已經因為有關病毒複製機制和遺傳結構的發現, 而獲頒諾貝爾生理學或醫學獎. 'Inconvenient truth' indeed.

PS2. 我不會再回。這等於 NASA 跟 flat earth 陰謀論的人爭辯... Waste of time.
___________________

註: 筆者非研究微生物學及病毒的生物學家,只是劍橋大學醫科畢業,讀了一年微生物學/傳染病學 (microbiology / epidemiology)。 當年論文題目有關豬流感病毒傳播。

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打政府工打到黐Q咗線?:o)


https://www.facebook.com/eyesupersuperUK/photos/a.2091764227726792/2554426104793933/

《回應陳雲的 Inconvenient 'truth'》

有朋友 send 篇文俾小弟,讀完實在不吐不快。

「在野獸或人體的愛滋病一直存在,直至人類辨認了病毒及嘗試發明治療方法的時候,愛滋病成了疾病」

- 但歷史告訴我們,當時在 1980 年左右是因為有人在美國患有罕見疾病, 包括罕見癌症而死亡 (當中有很多是同性戀者),之後醫學界才辨認出愛滋病病毒。 (如有興趣, 請到 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_HIV/AIDS 讀讀愛滋病的歷史。)
___________________

「感染了愛滋病的人,在告訴他驗證了愛滋病之前是沒事的,醫生告訴他之後,就會發病,嘗試治療之後,就會死亡。」
- 感染了 xx 病的人,在告訴他驗證了xx 病之前是沒事的,醫生告訴他之後,就會發病,嘗試治療之後,就會死亡??
這是哪門的巫術???
___________________

// 至於沙士、禽流感這些病,也是一樣。你不理會它,它只是惡性的流感而已,一年半載就會被人體適應,而其實他們一直存在與某些人類之中而相安無事。//

- 1) 沙士是冠狀病毒 (coronavirus), 禽流感才是流感病毒 (Influenza virus), 兩者已經不同。
而流感病毒的外套膜(envelope)含有 2 種醣蛋白 - 紅血球凝集素(Hemagglutinin, 又稱 H 抗原)和神經胺酸酶(Neuraminidase, 又稱 N 抗原)。
流感病毒有 16 種不同的 HA 抗原(H1 至 H16)和 9 種不同的 NA 抗原(N1 至 N9), 所以有所謂的 H5N1, H1N1 等等。

2) 流感病毒「一直存在與某些人類之中而相安無事」?? 其實每幾十年, 流感瘟疫就來一次!
--> 1918 Spanish flu, 1957 Asian flu, 1968–1969 Hong Kong flu, 2009 swine flu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic)
___________________

PS. 民俗學博士, 其實你的德國哥廷根大學有位校友 Max Delbrück, 早在 1969 年已經因為有關病毒複製機制和遺傳結構的發現, 而獲頒諾貝爾生理學或醫學獎. 'Inconvenient truth' indeed.

PS2. 我不會再回。這等於 NASA 跟 flat earth 陰謀論的人爭辯... Waste of time.
___________________

註: 筆者非研究微生物學及病毒的生物學家,只是劍橋大學醫科畢業,讀了一年微生物學/傳染病學 (microbiology / epidemiology)。 當年論文題目有關豬流感病毒傳播。

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